No Moderation

Below are 2 great positings I read on incarnatus est.

Enjoy (if anyone is reading),

Tom

Its crucial : At the same time saint and sinner

From Diane Hampson, Christian Contradictions, p. 24-25.

The formula "simul iustus et peccator" encapsulates the structure of Lutheran thought. As we have seen, the Christian lives by Christ's righteousness, a righteousness which is extrinsic to him. Thus he is, at one and the same time, both a sinner (in himself) but also righteous (in that he lives by God's righteousness). Heiko Oberman expresses this in a helpful manner. Righteousness is not one's property; but one's possession.

For example, the book that I have out of the library is in my possession but not my property… Thus the extra nos shows that justification is not based on a claim of man, on a debitum iustitiae. Another way of putting this is simply to say that God accepts the human just as he is for Christ's sake and that which man is -at least in relation to God - is a sinner.

This for Luther is the message of the gospel, overturning our presupposition that we have first to be good before we can be accepted by God.

What it is important to notice, particularly in view of the debate with Catholicism, is that iustus and peccator are relational terms and we are involved in a relational understanding of what it is to be justified, There is a sense in which neither term refers to the inward 'state' of the person. Certainly neither is to be understood as a quality which could be predicated of the human, understood as a substantial entity.

On the one hand God, for Christ's sake, holds the sinner to be just; he acquits us … Thus we may say that we are indeed to be considered fully just. On the other hand when the human is placed coram deo (before God), faced with God's goodness he must necessarily judge himself a sinner. But again it is not so much that the human is a sinner in himself. It is not that there is nothing good in the human. It is simply that when one considers the nature of God, the human cannot bring anything to God, on account of which God could accept him. In relation to God, he must count himself a sinner. The human thus has a double sense of himself; as both fully just and yet also as a sinner.

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Tuesday, April 04, 2006

Its Crucial #2

Are we righteous before God because we have been placed on "the way" by God and so eventually will arrive at righteousness or are we ( as Luther would have it) only by faith in a promise, not by supposing that someday God will help us by his grace actually be righteous.

For Luther and Lutherans there is a contradiction and conflict at the heart of the Christian religion. The conflict is not one of purity (I must be pure, I must attain righteousness with God's help), it is the conflict of faith. God says that I am righteous and yet I can, see, know and feel I am not. The conflict is one over the Word and promise of God versus my sense of sinful self, not over my inner state which by work or acetic practice or the sacramental system of the church God purifies so He can then accept me. No, for Luther, God says, Sinner, I accept you. Thus the conflict.

Again, Hampson in Christian Contradictions(p. 25):

We can express the Lutheran simul in another way; which is present in the quotation which we have just given. The Christian has a double sense of time. He lives 'from' the future, in that his sense of himself now is derived from his sense of Christ. The future is not placed at the end of a via, a path, which consists in his own transformation. Rather -to repeat myself -the Christian lives 'from' that future, for his sense of himself is bound up with that future. It is in this sense that Luther is future orientated. The Christian bases himself on something which is not at his disposal, of which he knows through the promise. Thus the Christian lives by a kind of a dare, which is the nature of faith. He holds in faith to what is scarcely credible, that God accepts him fully and completely for Christ's sake.

In this sense he believes against reason and on the ground of the revelation alone. Faith is eschatalogical in that through belief in that other future it is actualised in the present. Yet, while the Christian knows himself as accepted and living from that future, he is struggling with his present condition in the world. The Lutheran simul iustus et peccator thus brings with it a double sense not only of self but of time … Clearly it is a quite different sense of time from the Catholic, in which the human is at one 'place' (to put it figuratively) on the via which leads from the present to the future.

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